Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?

Also, I assume 10.3.5 is the version of OSX that comes with the iMac
G5. Does that preinstalled version include all the security updates
and whatnot?

In article <2004092215440750073%no[at]spaminvalid>,
Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:

> Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?

I don't have and do not expect to get an iMac G5, but I can't imagine
Acrobat would be included given that it's not included in the G5 towers
(which I have, which is why I'm not getting an iMac) or, TTBOMK, any
other Mac model. They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most needs.

G

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Gregory Weston <gwestonREMOVE[at]CAPSattbi.com> writes:
> In article <2004092215440750073%no[at]spaminvalid>,
> Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?

> other Mac model. They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
> putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most needs.

Unfortunately, not for all needs.

In the course of business, I regularly need to get certain
documents which are being prepared somehow such that they
only render correctly if I use the very latest version of
Adobe's own Reader software.

It really pisses me off, too, since I'd rather not crank
up that big, slow, clunky thing when Preview really should
be able to handle it just fine.

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On 2004-09-22 16:25:08 -0500, Gregory Weston
<gwestonREMOVE[at]CAPSattbi.com> said:

> In article <2004092215440750073%no[at]spaminvalid>,
> Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?
>
> I don't have and do not expect to get an iMac G5, but I can't imagine
> Acrobat would be included given that it's not included in the G5 towers
> (which I have, which is why I'm not getting an iMac) or, TTBOMK, any
> other Mac model. They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
> putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most
> needs.

I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only problem
with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview renders them
without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.

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On 2004-09-23 08:46:19 +1000, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
<no[at]spam.invalid> said:

> On 2004-09-22 16:25:08 -0500, Gregory Weston
> <gwestonREMOVE[at]CAPSattbi.com> said:
>
>> In article <2004092215440750073%no[at]spaminvalid>,
>> Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?
>>
>> I don't have and do not expect to get an iMac G5, but I can't imagine
>> Acrobat would be included given that it's not included in the G5 towers
>> (which I have, which is why I'm not getting an iMac) or, TTBOMK, any
>> other Mac model. They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
>> putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most
>> needs.
>
> I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only problem
> with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview renders them
> without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.

This is a problem with embedded fonts. You will find out more on
www.macosxhints.com. BTW this is a problem when the PDF was created.
Its just that the Acrobat reader fakes a missing font and preview does
not.

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On 2004-09-23 08:46:19 +1000, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
<no[at]spam.invalid> said:

> On 2004-09-22 16:25:08 -0500, Gregory Weston
> <gwestonREMOVE[at]CAPSattbi.com> said:
>
>> In article <2004092215440750073%no[at]spaminvalid>,
>> Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?
>>
>> I don't have and do not expect to get an iMac G5, but I can't imagine
>> Acrobat would be included given that it's not included in the G5 towers
>> (which I have, which is why I'm not getting an iMac) or, TTBOMK, any
>> other Mac model. They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
>> putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most
>> needs.
>
> I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only problem
> with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview renders them
> without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.

Sorry. Macfixit is where this problem is documented URL is

http://www.macfixit.com/index.php?date=2004-09-21

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John Proctor <lost[at]nowhere.org> writes:
> On 2004-09-23 08:46:19 +1000, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
> <no[at]spam.invalid> said:

> > I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only
> > problem with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview
> > renders them without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.
>
> Sorry. Macfixit is where this problem is documented URL is
> http://www.macfixit.com/index.php?date=2004-09-21

Hrm - Preview choosing not to render at all rather than
try to fake missing fonts.

That's not the problem I encountered. In my case, the
document was mostly there - just a couple of blank sections -
but other parts, with the same font - were just fine.



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In article <2004092217461975249%no[at]spaminvalid>,
Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:

> On 2004-09-22 16:25:08 -0500, Gregory Weston
> <gwestonREMOVE[at]CAPSattbi.com> said:
>
> > In article <2004092215440750073%no[at]spaminvalid>,
> > Keeper of the Purple Twilight <no[at]spam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Is Adobe Acrobat one of the included pieces of software?
> >
> > I don't have and do not expect to get an iMac G5, but I can't imagine
> > Acrobat would be included given that it's not included in the G5 towers
> > (which I have, which is why I'm not getting an iMac) or, TTBOMK, any
> > other Mac model. They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
> > putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most
> > needs.
>
> I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only problem
> with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview renders them
> without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.

Adobe Acrobat is a (somewhat expensive) program for creating PDF
documents.

Adobe Reader is a free program for reading PDF documents.

Adobe Reader is pretty easy to find at the Adobe site. Just download it
if you need it.

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In article <yob8yb1vj0y.fsf[at]panix2.panix.com>,
BreadWithSpam[at]fractious.net wrote:

> John Proctor <lost[at]nowhere.org> writes:
> > On 2004-09-23 08:46:19 +1000, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
> > <no[at]spam.invalid> said:
>
> > > I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only
> > > problem with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview
> > > renders them without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.
> >
> > Sorry. Macfixit is where this problem is documented URL is
> > http://www.macfixit.com/index.php?date=2004-09-21
>
> Hrm - Preview choosing not to render at all rather than
> try to fake missing fonts.
>
> That's not the problem I encountered. In my case, the
> document was mostly there - just a couple of blank sections -
> but other parts, with the same font - were just fine.

I believe I've seen Reader fail to render text from a document created
by an older version of Acrobat. Apple tech docs, IIRC.

G

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"standard output" to somewhere else, if he so chooses. - Jeremy Nixon

BreadWithSpam[at]fractious.net wrote:
> John Proctor <lost[at]nowhere.org> writes:
>
>>On 2004-09-23 08:46:19 +1000, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
>><no[at]spam.invalid> said:
>
>
>>>I would agree, i.e. that Preview is usually good enough. Only
>>>problem with Preview is that with some PDFs I've read, Preview
>>>renders them without any text at all, but Acrobat does it correctly.
>>
>>Sorry. Macfixit is where this problem is documented URL is
>>http://www.macfixit.com/index.php?date=2004-09-21
>
>
> Hrm - Preview choosing not to render at all rather than
> try to fake missing fonts.
>
> That's not the problem I encountered. In my case, the
> document was mostly there - just a couple of blank sections -
> but other parts, with the same font - were just fine.

Some new programs like InDesign have features that older RIPs and PDF
readers do not support, such as drop shadows and transparency.

I am the prod mgr for a daily college newspaper and if we use ID CS's
advanced features, they appear as white boxes on RIPped output. It's
quite frustrating to have all of these advanced tools and not be able to
use them--we've had to resort to TIFFing the affected areas. It seems
to be an issue with the our printer's RIP.

We see the same thing if we open an "affected" page in Preview. The
transparent areas usually render as white squares. Acrobat 6 displays
everything fine, however. This also applies to PDF forms that have
fields for people to fill in. Preview typically puts question marks in
the fields and Acrobat must be used instead.

As a sidenote, we'd had pretty good success using PDF/X-1a...seems to
solve many problems...but generally distills everything down to the
lowest common denominator.

Adam

Gregory Weston <gwestonREMOVE[at]CAPSattbi.com> writes:

> They don't even have a really good incentive to bother
> putting reader on there since Preview is at least as good for most
> needs.

Preview can't search encrypted PDFs (at least, it can't search the sole
encrypted PDF on my Mac). I use Preview most of the time for viewing
PDFs also, since it takes Adobe Reader approximately forever to launch,
but sometimes there's no avoiding using Reader.

Emily

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